Hi Bev,

David Kaynor has another version that I use, just different in the  
A1. The A parts are standard, I'll try to show the timing for the B  
parts.

Cherokee Shuffle  David Kaynor  Improper Contra  10-measure B parts  
tune: Cherokee Shuffle

A1  Dosido Neighbor, Circle L 1x
A2  Balance the ring, swing Neighbor
B1  Men allemande L 1/2  (4)
        Balance the wave (4)
        Swing Partner (12)
B2  Circle L 3/4  (8)
        Balance the ring two times  (8)
        California twirl to face new Neighbors

It's a great dance!  Fine for beginners, with a twist in the timing  
for experienced dancers. (They're the ones who need to be told "Keep  
swinging!" in B1 as the swing may feel too long to people used to 32- 
measure tunes and dances.)

Richard

On Jul 8, 2009, at 1:06 PM, The Witful Turnip wrote:

> Re: 40 bar dances (comments by Chris and David...)
>
> I shouldn't even type this but since I've currently got some time  
> on my
> hands... I began to wonder about this version of Cherokee Shuffle.  
> I haven't
> ever called it but I'm fairly sure I've danced David's original  
> crooked
> version.... (I call the straight version all the time).
>
> When I listen to the YouTube link David provided
> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s8Mmc69CP8) I count it like so:
>
> A1: 8, 8
> A2: 8, 8
> B1: 8, 12
> B2: 8, 12
>
> Mind you, that's before they start riffing all over the place and I  
> can't
> quite hear the phrasing. But I'm not hearing both phrases in both  
> B's having
> 12 beats/counts (let's not get started on that discussion  
> again...!). I'm
> only hearing the second phrase in each B as having 12. Is it my  
> imagination?
>
> And I see that as a little different than what Chris might be  
> looking for,
> unless I'm misunderstanding his notation of "(AA=8+8 plus BB=12 
> +12)" because
> that suggests to me that he needs all 4 of the B phrases to be 12.  
> Is that
> what you meant Chris?
>
> When I look at David's notation for the dance....
>
> Cherokee Shuffle
> Improper
>
> A1: (facing up and down set) w/Ns, F & B; w/N, dos-a-dos; form circle
>
> A2: Bal. Circle; W/N, swing, end progressed
>
> B1: Gs LH turn 1/2; W/P, bal. & swing (12 beats)
>
> B2: Circle L 3/4; Circle Bal. 2x; W/P, California Twirl to swap  
> places, face
> new Ns
>
> The B1 seems a little odd to me because the Gs LH turn 1/2 won't  
> fill 8
> beats/counts. I say that's a 4 beat/count figure at best. So 4 +12  
> = 16 when
> it should be 20, shouldn't it?? And that's assuming he mean the  
> notation of
> (12 beats) to refer specifically to the balance and swing, which  
> could be
> wrong on my part. I don't remember what this should feel like when  
> danced.
>
> I guess there's a reason why I never call the crooked version...!  
> I'd be
> interested in any analysis. And like David, I'm curious about the  
> tune the
> band has in mind.
> Thanks,
> Bev
>
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